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Issue Data
Status: Closed
Issue Type: Bug Report
Project: Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
Component: Skyrim SE: Vanilla
Category: Papyrus
Assigned To: Nobody
Platform: All
Severity: Critical
Votes: 29
Watching: N/A
Opened By Arthmoor on Oct 30, 2016 5:57 pm
Last Edited By Arthmoor on Nov 3, 2016 1:45 pm
Closed By Arthmoor on Nov 3, 2016 1:45 pm
Resolution: Referred to Bethesda
Comment: This issue is being addressed by Bethesda.

Issue #21353: Critical Bug with Quest NPCs

 
There seems to be a very serious problem cropping up in numerous reports in several placed. A quick sampling of comments from the USSEP threads on Bethesda.net:

//Most importantly, cant continue main Greybeards quest because Wulfgar is in the middle of a mountain down south, stuck inside.//

//it says arngeir is outside of the map, so i can't progress further into the story line. a fix would be great//

//so im having an issue where aela the huntress is marked on the map as being at bleakwind basin but i can not find her. Tried to glitch out through whiterun but i cant do that either.//

//Having an issue where master borri is missing and einarth was on a mountain east of helgen at the end of Jurgen windcaller when they are suppose to do the ceremony. Quest is broken please update that//

//I have an issue where I am currently trying to progress in the quest "Silver Lining" for the Thieves' Guild. However, Endon, the necessary NPC for the quest, is not spawning in usual spots of Markarth (Silver Blood Inn), and his marker is off of the map and outside player boundaries.//

//Does anybody at all have a fix for the mourning never comes or am i just stuck with the maker outside the map and the quest NPC not spawning//

//I don't know if this has been fixed already or not; but Skjor, Aela, and Ysolda all disappeared from the game during quests that required interacting with them. Skjor and Aela during The Silver Hand and Ysolda during A Night to Remember. If you could look I to this, I would greatly appreciate it.//

//maven black briar not spawning can that be addressed i can't progress in the thieves guild//

//Dark brotherhood quest, mounrning never comes, I can't complete it, marker has muiri way west of map.//

The common factor with all of these is that at some point during the quests involved, these NPCs are subject to the MoveTo() command to stage them for the next leg of their quests. Something seem to be very seriously wrong with that command now and it's breaking things we know we haven't touched in mods.

Logging this here just for the record. This is likely something Bethesda needs to fix because it appears to be due to an engine bug in the native code for MoveTo().

Comments

5 comment(s) [Closed]
Arthmoor said:
 
Digging deeper still into this, the common factor is in fact not MoveTo() but the mere presence of an NPC in a quest alias with AI packages attached. So it seems something has gone terribly wrong with how aliases process AI pack overrides. MoveTo() and EvaluatePackage() just happen to be common things that get done to aliases as well, but some of the reported NPCs have neither done and are only occupying an alias with package overrides.

Comment #1 Oct 30, 2016 6:25 pm
BlackPete said:
 
Another ticket that might be related: Issue #21365

Comment #2 Nov 1, 2016 1:56 am  Edited by BlackPete on May 9, 2020 7:47 am
NightStar said:
 
Also related, on XB1 Issue #21359, Issue #21360 (maybe), Issue #21361.

Arthmoor, should these tickets (and likely similar tickets to come) be closed as duplicates, or should a master ticket be created for Xbox too?

Comment #3 Nov 1, 2016 8:18 am  Edited by BlackPete on May 9, 2020 7:48 am
Arthmoor said:
 
Yes, they should be closed as duplicates. I changed the OS tag to All since one person now says it happened to them on PC too.

Comment #4 Nov 1, 2016 9:07 pm
Arthmoor said:
 
Bethesda now has an official thread for this issue:

https://beta-community.bethesda.net/topic/2986/official-missing-npcs-thread

Since this has been positively confirmed to be an engine issue that only affects consoles, we will be closing this issue here as there is nothing we can do about it.

Comment #5 Nov 3, 2016 1:45 pm
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