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Issue Data
Status: Closed
Issue Type: Bug Report
Project: Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch
Component: Skyrim LE: Vanilla
Category: Quests
Assigned To: Nobody
Platform: Windows PC
Severity: Low
Votes: 0
Watching: N/A
Opened By Arthmoor on Dec 23, 2012 8:50 am
Closed By Arthmoor on Dec 29, 2012 6:54 am
Resolution: Fixed

Issue #8708: College of Winterhold lecture scenes do not play? [MGCollegeLectureInfos]

 
There are a number of lecture scenes that should play at the College of Winterhold. However, in looking through the quest MGCollegeLectureInfos it doesn't look like any of a number of scenes will ever play. This may be due to problems in the quest itself, but most likely it is due to AI conflicts with all of the expected participants. Nobody ever shows up in the Hall of Elements where these scenes are set to take place.

Comments

19 comment(s) [Closed]
Arthmoor said:
 
The scenes are all marked with completion conditions to terminate them at 2pm. This would be rather tragic.

Arthmoor said:
 
Finding it difficult to see how these could ever have played since nobody has AI packs to take them to the Hall of Attainment during their schedules, and Update.esm has no changes to these NPCs that could have wiped them out.

Which is in line with my surprise at noticing these even exist, I've never once seen them happen. Not unlike how the Bards College stuff wasn't working :P

DayDreamer said:
 
Well, I swear these used to play. I've heard about half of them. They are all documented at http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:College_of_Winterhold_%28place%29#Lectures, although they may have
gotten the data from the CK.

I'm pretty sure I have saves just after listening to one or two. Maybe it doesn't work anymore, but it used to in the past. Let's fix them!

DayDreamer said:
 
My memory is I'd just finished Tolfdir's lecture, and Faralda came in and gave a lecture. I'll see whether I can find the save. The only other one I remember hearing was Gestor on policy.

I also remember them being well attended, and went around introducing myself to them afterward.

DayDreamer said:
 
I'm looking at MGColetteLecture in MGCollegeLectureInfos, and she starts at >= 13.00; all the others start at >= 14.00.

Much to my surprise, Phinis has 4 lectures.

Arthmoor said:
 
That may be, but there's absolutely nothing in the AI packs I've examined so far to put these people in the Hall of Elements (I mistakenly mentioned Attainment before). Ever. The scenes will not compel them to travel.

DayDreamer said:
 
Maybe something was removed from Update.esm?

I checked in game, and where before the lectures happened, now nothing happens.

DayDreamer said:
 
The scenes reference WCollegeLectureSpeaker pack, and WCollegeLectureListener01..10

All those do is travel.

DayDreamer said:
 
MGCollegeLectureInfos runs from quest MG01. Is that running?

DayDreamer said:
 
MG01 is start game enabled, and run once. Stage 200 starts MG02 and MGCollegeLectureInfos.

Arthmoor said:
 
AI packages found in scenes don't take effect until the scene actually runs. So there needs to be AI packs to get the NPCs into the hall, and thus far I can't find any that send them there. Nor has this been changed by Update.esm, so it appears as though this never worked and UESP assumed otherwise after using CK data to populate their pages.

DayDreamer said:
 
As for having never worked, here's a resave of an old save just at the end of Tolfdir, made originally running 1.7 + USKP1.2.2b on October 19.

On a hunch, I turned USKP off, and made a save outside (you have to go outside to Wait), and came back in, and lo and behold: a lecture!

Note the 2 male apprentices still standing in the room. Anyway, not sure whether USKP related. But it "seems fairly damning." However, this runs both with and without USKP.

DayDreamer said:
 
Sorry, I meant October 14th. And should have compressed the file.

Here's that end-of-lecture save. I've now tried repeatedly with USKP to get a lecture, no joy. Perhaps you can figure out how USKP prevents it from triggering.

DayDreamer said:
 
Now tested with multiple versions going back to USKP1.05c (I archived several). None of them will give a lecture.

Arthmoor said:
 
One of these days I'll need to remember to start keeping back archives of stuff. I usually don't because it's a nightmare for support purposes and once people catch wind they pester you with PMs forever trying to get them for their pirated games.

jonwd7 said:
 
One possible reason:

> if (DialogueWinterholdCollege as DialogueWinterholdCollegeQuestScript).CollegeUnsafe==1
> RegisterforSingleUpdateGameTime(24)
> else

In MGCollegeLecturesQuestScript. Might the USKP accidentally leave the college marked as "Unsafe" at any point?

DayDreamer said:
 
Then this is new, as I used to attend the lectures. They are at 2 pm.

Arthmoor said:
 
Fixed for USKP 2.0.

Shroob straightened out the horribly messy script here. It was indiscriminately registering game time update events it never handled, which eventually leads to the scenes no longer playing, and if left unchecked long enough will result in Papyrus suffering stack dumps and causing save bloating.

NightStar said:
 
Related <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.afkmods.com/index.php?/tracdown/issue/14117-no-college-lectures/'>Bug #14117</a> (closed).

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